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we have lots of ground to cover. what's going to happen when two of the world's most powerful
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people face off. is hillary clinton the victim of a witch hunt. also, people take selfies everywhere including inside the ballot booth. should that be legal? we'll meet the man who got called in for questioning because of the a ballot selfie. donald trump took his road show to massachusetts last night. he praise quarterback tom brady. he hammered cnn and continued to respond to questions with sound bites not substance. take a look. >> what do you want to say to female voters because there's been criticism about -- >> i think the female voters, my daughter, my wife, they feel so strongly about the women's health issues and they said to me, you know, there's nobody that feels more strongly than me. it's true. women's health issues. as you saw jeb bush was really almost against it.
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it was terrible where he didn't want to fund women's health issues. i will tell you, we will work together and we're going to take care of women. i cherish women. my daughter and my wife said you have to talk about that because they know how i feel. >> that lack of specificity that served trump well as he continued to lead in polls. it motivated jimmy kimmel to do trump's first campaign commercial. >> donald trump, a man with a vision for america. not a specific vision, a great vision, the best vision. donald trump has plan for making this country great again. what plan? a great plan. a plan that will work because it is the best. why? because donald trump knows good people. which people? the best people. people who are not stupid like other people.
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people who know how to get deals done. what deals? great deals. the biggest deals. deal or no deal. let's make a deal. >> we want deal. >> make america great again. donald trump. >> i'm donald trump and of course i approve this message because it's a great message and i have lots of money to pay for it. >> how long will this performance last? i want to ask two a listers. bob, this is chauncey gardener stuff. this is there will be growth in the spring. how long does it last? when will it end? >> it last a lot longer than people think. i've been reading the demise of
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donald trump for the last six months and he's still here. the only time you get air time is you have to attack trump and that's dangerous. he's not a politician. what does he stand for? what washington stands against. he's a guy that has tapped a vein in the american body politics like ross perot had done in the '90s. for that matter get back to george wallace when he took votes away from democrats. i think trump has some staying power and he has money to stay in. the rest of them can't find oxygen. >> does he have enough staying power to capture the gop nomination? >> i don't think he has enough staying power to capture the nomination but to continue to do a lot of damage, at least some people would say it's damage. other people would say what's happening withining the
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republican party because of donald trump is a good thing. he might be the product of a republican party that didn't understand its electorate and thought they were voted in repeatedly that their constituency wanted republicans to come in office and be in charge of make sure nothing happened during the presidency of barack obama. i think what we're seeing is so many republicans saying we're tired of you promising me this and this and this and absolutely nothing happens. we want a candidate who is not candidate. we want someone who tells us the truth. who didn't give up a typical political response and right now that person is donald trump and i think he will be in it for the long road. the other 16 candidates that are running still give us quote unquote political answers. >> bob, he used a word choice this week that harken back to the nixon era. i want to get your thoughts on
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it. >> you have a silent majority in this country that feels abused and feels forgotten, that feels mistreated. it's a term that hasn't been brought up in years. people haven't heard that term in many years. it's sort of interesting as to why. they're all different reasons. i think it's a very descriptive term. >> is this political incorrectness run amuck? >> he can be as incorrect as he wants. he gets away with because he's donald trump. everybody is playing in his circus ring. yeah, you harken back that same message was richard nixon's comeback in 1968. it was george wallace in 1972. ross perot, the forgotten people out there. the silent majority. they're not a majority really but there's enough of them to give trump enough votes. i think this whole cast of characters of the republican party, four of them will get out
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of new hampshire. it will be weeded down in florida and super tuesday will probably give us an nominee. donald trump demands the time and he gets it. >> when you as a person of color hear silent majority, i'll give him the benefit of doubt, do you hear something different? >> i hear something completely different. on this coupled with all of the bertherism comments he made about president obama early on in his presidency, i'm absolutely unwilling to give him the benefit of the doubt. if you go back and look at the history of the the way richard nixon used the term silent ma jurorty, the intent by everyone ever analyzed that speech that
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the intent was to galvanize white people who were angry. this is no different than ronald reagan using the term states rights and taking the country back when he announced his presidency in mississippi. it's way of saying we're going to take our country back from the african-american president, from the latinos taking over the country, from the 11 or 12 million latinos that he described as rapist, murders and criminals and engage those who feel left out because the unemployment rate is still so high because businesses have left the country because they're not prepared for a 21st citizen work force and it's easier for some people to -- president obama said it back in 2008, he described this section as people
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who cling to guns and religion and anti-immigrant, anti-people of color. >> i need to quickly go to the other side of the aisle because i have a question for bob. bob, i want to show you what martin o'mall lee said yesterday. >> four debates. four debates. four debates. four debates and four debates only we're told not asked before voters in our earliest states make their decision. this is totally unprecedented in our party's history. this sort of rigged process has never been attempted before. >> is he right? is the process rigged to hillary's benefit? >> in a certain way he is right. i've negotiated these debates before in the democratic party. the question is how many and especially how many candidates you have. look at the republicans and fox. i think in the end, the democratic establishment and the
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democratic party are hillary clinton voters. the last thing that she wants is to get somebody to have a whole lot of debate time. she's not a good debater. she can make a lot of mistakes. if you're hillary clinton you have to minimize mistakes and maximize your attributes. i think he's got a point. he's also bitter. he can't get any traction. >> it's not just the number of debates. i think a number of them are saturday nights when frankly folks aren't going to watch. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. no matter how donald trump refers to his supporters, silent th majority or some other word choice, polling indicates there's more of them than any other candidate. neil was mitt romney's pollster in 2012. thank you for being here. i want to remind you and
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everyone else what you wrote for the washington post in 2012. i want to ask about it. you said assuming that the democrats replicate their 2012 success with minority voters two years from now, to win 50.1 percent of the popular vote republicans will need nearly 60% of the white vote which would be a record for a non-incumbent president. is it possible to get to the 60% of the vote? >> first of all, pleasure to be here. it's extraordinarily difficult to hit that 64% number. mitt romney hit 59, which was good enough for george w. bush to win when he was running for election. in order to hit 64% number you really have to polarize the electorate. that's assuming that the
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republican does as well as mitt romney did among minority voters. getting just 27% hispanic vote. right now we're pushing the vote away with us with some of donald trump's comments. >> you either get this unprecedented percentage of white voters, the 64 or 65%, which you're telling me is unattainable or you grow the tent. on that score i want to put on the screen the result of a gallop survey that polled on the republican candidates that found that donald trump has a negative 51% approval rating. what does that mean? >> even the most unseasoned poll
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pollster will say that's not good. >> that is among his panic. people are saying i think he will run well will hispanics. how is trump running among hispanics. he's at negative 51. >> the key number that comes from that 51% is 13% of hispanics have a favorable impression of donald trump. usually you're only getting the votes of those people who have favorable impression. if he falls as low as the teens with hispanic voters, what that means is we're going to have to increase the number of white voters for him to win a general election. the math just doesn't work. >> in 1988 george herbert walker bush won 59% of the white vote
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which translated into 426 electoral votes. 24 years later romney won 59% of the vote. now it was only worth 206 of the votes. isn't that the snapshot of the problem faced by the gop. >> we have to do better with minority voters. it's not just that. you and i talked about the big blue wall. >> put that up on the screen. explain it. >> for the last six elections, last six elections, 18 states have gone democrat in each of those six elections equaling 242 electoral votes. that means you only need 28 more electoral votes of the remaining
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swing states. they start with a head start. they have a built in advantage now. this is based on past results be p they have a built in advantage. they got a head start in the race. it's like running a mile race and the other guys starting 200 yards ahead of you. >> bottom line, demographics are not on the long side. thank you. >> my pleasure. coming up, is the most important player in the 2016 election about to touchdown in america? hope francis is coming to the united states. is he headed for a collision course with donald trump on immigration. some democrats aren't happy with how hillary clinton handled her problems with e-mails. i'll ask her to show me. longer than ever. as we age, certain nutrients... ...become especially important. from the makers of one a day fifty-plus.
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3:19 pm today and tomorrow take on the world. hillary clinton's e-mail problem is causing consternation in her own party. it's driven up the number who tells pollsters they find her untrustworthy and worse.
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top democrats are worried she hasn't done enough to put the issue to bed. one prominent clinton supporter is calling the whole thing a witch hunt. she's the author of a brand new book, plenty lady like. it has a fascinating story about an unlikely ally who helped her get elected. your career has been marked by a number of firsts. you were the first member of the missouri state legislature to be pregnant while in office. you were the first female to be elected to the united states senate from the great state of missouri as well. would you be in the united states senate today but for rush limbaugh? >> he really helped out. people may remember that michael j. fox did a powerful add on my behalf over the issue of stem cell research. rush limbaugh made fun of him and mocked his physical movements in the video of his radio show. as a result i had an outpouring
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of support near the end of election that could very well have made the difference. our server gave up because we had so many people wanting to help us out after rush limbaugh embarrassed himself by making fun michael fox's disease. >> fair to say that rush limbaugh helped elect claire mccaskill to the united states senate. >> i'll take it. i thought about sending him roses but said that might be too far. >> you've said she's the subject of a witch hunt. why? >> just cently, a poll came out that showed hillary clinton, her unfavorables are lower than donald trump. she's beating all the democratic potential challengers. she's beating all the contenders in the republican primary and the headlines are hillary not doing as well as joe biden
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against potential republicans. it's almost as if there's a stubborn notion that she can't be as popular as she is. it's frustrating to me because all of the incoming is focused on her. it seems at times tremendously unfair. >> when go to the internals of those polls, you see that most americans, a majority of americans view her as being untrustworthy. >> as they do everyone in government. anybody who has been in elected office and in the public eye as long as someone like hillary clinton, this is not a time in america where any politicians have warm and fuzzies. even donald trump, who is clearly the flavor of the month has very high unfavorables. i think you have to put all of that in context. at the end of the day we have to figure out who has the strength and stability to lead this
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country. so far, to me, hillary clinton is head and shoulders above the field. >> the friday times haed a front page story. they claimed they interviewed 75 governors, elected officials, party leaders. it included this quote pertaining to secretary clinton. i read it because it was from the former head of the dnc. he said they, meaning the clinton campaign, have handled the issue horribly. it's been tone-does he have not seeing this as a more serious issue. she should have turned over the e-mail server at the start because they should have known she would be force to give it up. they are just left playing defense. do you agree with governor rendell's assessment? >> i think all of us is monday morning quarterback this including hillary clinton. she's said i made mistakes in how i handled this. i should have had two e-mail accounts. it's only smoke here. it's stubborn smoke but just
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smoke. it was allowed. other secretary of states had done the exact same thing. there's absolutely no factual basis she's done anything illegal. they think if they keep saying it often enough it will be reality. facts are stubborn things and i believe the facts will win out. >> do you think that vice president biden would be seriously considering a run if he didn't think there were some significant questions that she still needed to answer? >> here's what i honestly believe. i believe if hillary clinton said i'm not going to run and joe biden was out there campaigning, they would all be picking apart joe biden. all the headlines would be about his gaffe or him and this. maybe the press would be saying maybe hillary clinton is reconsidering and running now.
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i think is the function of whoever is in lead gets the attention on them. there's a certain reaction that maybe somebody else is better. at the end of the day i support hillary clinton but i believe that joe biden will not run. >> thanks so much for being here. >> thank you, michael. up next, the pope visits next month and many are wondering how the newly bible thumping candidate donald trump will react. milk has 8 grams of high-quality protein. which could be the difference between just living life.
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welcome back. will donald trump meet his match when the pope arrives. he wrote in a few weeks pope francis will visit our fair land, a fitting pivot from the summer of trump closing out a episode of narcissism and
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rudeness. for all these done the elevate the worst human traits a public figure can have, francis is the anti-trump. he said his favorite book is the bible but it shows the knowledge doesn't seem to run very deep. >> the bible means a lot to me but i don't want to get into specifics. >> even to site a verse? >> no i don't want to do that. >> old testament or new testament? >> i like them equally. i think the bible is something very special. >> to discuss this another aspect of the visit, i've invite add journalist with keen insight. robert draper wrote the story titled will the pope change the vatican or will the vatican
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change the pope. she's arrive ng the thick of presidential campaign where immigration is dominating the debate. how do you think he will react? >> michael, when the vatican schedule was for pope francis several months ago, i don't think donald trump was on their radar. he's on pope francis' radar. i think he will be the audience that pope francis gives on september 24th. for pope francis, inequality racial as well as economic has been a prominent issue. one of the first things he did when he became pope was to visit off the coast where a lot of libyan refugees had arrived by
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boat. the message he wanted to send was one of outreach and tolerance. the rhetoric of donald trump is something i think he will directly address. >> the rhetoric of donald trump is on his radar screen. is the pope politically savvy? >> he is. he's not savvy in the sense he follows the horse race. he reads three or four newspapers every morning. he is not a social media person. i hope this doesn't disaappointment his millions of followers. he isn't the one doing the tweeting with the twitter handle. he does follow politics. he understands he's arriving at sort of the onramp of the political race. >> you wrote this, i circled this. he is a reformer, a radical, a
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revolutionary and he's also none of these things. what does that mean in. >> it means that on the one hand i'm not convinced he's going to change. i don't know that he's going to toss out the notion that priest must will celibate. what he has done that's very radical is change the tonality of the catholic church. i think in doing that and in encouraging throughout all catholics to reach out not to be this insular church that has a list of dos and don'ts but to go out to the people who are alienated is a radical concept. >> here is an indication from my
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hometown. i hope you can see that in philadelphia of just how big the p papel visit papal visit is. as you look at his events, what are you circling for political significance. is it the meeting with the president or the open air miss? where should we be paying attention? >> at 9:20 a.m. eastern time september 24th, pay close attention to the speech he gives to congress. we should note this is the his first trip to the united states of america. he's never been here before. when he gives the speeches he makes the most of them.
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he's going to do the same thing with this speech. i think it's very likely he will talk about income inequality. he'll talk about climate change as well since that's a subject that's been near and dear to him since he witnessed the destruction of the amazon rain forest. i think he will be talking about immigration and need for tolerance and the need to basic cast aside this sort of rhetoric. >> i think he will set the tone for the fall portion of this campaign. a final question for you. you report in national geographic within two years he's already appointed 39 cardinals. i said if it's a role akin to a president and the supreme court of the united states. is his imprint going to be left on the vatican long after he's tho lo no longer to be the pope. >> that's likely what he's
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trying to do. he wants to retire in a few years. it's clear he doesn't want the progress that the catholic church has made to be rolled back. he is essentially stacked the deck by appointed cardinals who are much more -- that are not old school. not like the cardinals we have seen in the past. i think whoever the successor will be picked in a conclave by these cardinals who embrace the point of view that he does that the catholic church has got to be more open. >> the people is terrific. congratulations and thanks for being here. coming up, what's wrong with taking a picture of how you voted and then posting it on the internet? for starters, it might not be legal and it could cost you.
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now days everybody is taking selfies and posting them on social media. in some situations it's illegal. one place is the voting booth. why? because the selection is supposed to be private. a judge has invalidated law that made it illegal to take a ballot selfie. andy is one of the plaintiffs who fought the law and won. he joined me now from his new state of residence, north carolina. andy, did you move because of the selfie squirmish? >> no, i moved for much better weather. >> that makes sense. what happened? tell your story. >> i was in the voting booth. we had the local primary or state primary as well. i wasn't happy with the offerings on the republican side. everybody was unsatisfactory.
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i just wrote in akira, my dog by about a month. i took a quick picture of it. of the ballot and posted it later on that evening and with -- i don't know what the quote was but i'm sure i didn't enjoy the offerings and a few days later i got a phone call from the local investigators wanting to know more about this. >> i think you said everybody sucks. therefore i'm voting for my deceased dog. when the attorney general's office contacted you, did you think somebody was goofing on you or did you know it was for real? >> absolutely. i thought somebody was playing a joke. >> why do you think you should have the right to take a selfie inside ballot booth. some say this is a threat to secrecy and integrity? >> it's a true first amendment right issue. am i allowed to express, in my
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case, a protest vote and i did. i think the way the case went it upholds that. if you decide to have a secret ballot like we normally have, you can keep to that as well. >> final question, what if an employer says or parent to a child says i want proof that you voted for candidate x, y or z so send me your selfie. >> that's trust a moral question that they'd have to answer and justify to themselves. >> thank you so much. good luck. >> thank you, sir. >> i want to bring in someone. university of california at irvine law professor wrote without the ballot selfie ban we could see the reemergence of
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buying and selling of votes. this is just not new hampshire. this is playing itself out in maine, oregon, utah where they permit this type of a picture to be taken. i think in indiana has recently passed a new law saying we don't want this to be taking place. >> that's right. there's actually a number of states where the law is simply that you can't share who you voted with with anyone else. no one else can see your ballot. that would work the same way if you took the selfie. >> what's the basis for your opinion? i hear many individual who is say the pure embodiment of our first amendment is when you vote and why not be able to record that process if you choose to. >> absolutely. people should be able to cast a protest vote and tell everyone about it. the problem is if you can prove how you voted with a picture of your ballot it opens up the possibility of the buying and selling of votes and the
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possibility of coercion from your employer, spouse and union boss. turn out went down because you could no longer engage in that kind of transaction. you couldn't prove how you voted. >> a quick history lesson. we used to have a very public ballot until we adopted the australian ballot. you're saying when we went secret, fewer people than participated in elections. >> that's right. people used to go on a parade. parties would print ballots. everybody know how you voted. you were pressured to vote in a certain way. that's illegal. vote buying is illegal. people should be able to express themselves. we shouldn't let them take the actual picture of the ballot which would allow for this
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buying and selling of votes. we've seen it with absentee ballots. this would open up another venue for buying and selling votes. >> i read the federal court opinion in this case. it discussed the fact there was a rumor that college stunts were being paid 50 bucks to cast their ballot. there was no evidence that that was anything more than a rumor. the federal judge in this case seemed open to the idea of upholding a law like this if there were proof of coercion. >> it's a first amendment issue. you have to balance the interest. you mentioned is you really don't lose a lot of first amendment expression. your last guest could have still gone on facebook and said this is how i voted and these candidates suck and say all that. we don't want the picture. i think as we develop more cases
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and i'm guess thanksgiving will be appealed by new hampshire, maybe we'll get some more evidence. i would look to what's happened with vote buying and use that as evidence of what the potential problem is here as well. >> final question and to play devils add voe cat. vote buying and intimidation can still be against the law. we can still prosecute those crimes. the picture doesn't make much of a difference. >> i'm not worried about the people posting on facebook. i'm worried about it being used for vote buying. they should not go after people just expressing their first amendment rights. that's not where the real problem is. >> thank you for being here. >> my pleasure. coming up, my tip of the hat to donald trump. so what else can you give me? same day delivery.
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i have a bone to pick with donald trump. his hat. that red baseball cap that he uses to cover his famous mane, the one that read "make america great again." i don't like the message. it is a theme he repeats in his speeches. >> i will say this -- if the right purn erson is not electede next year. i don't know if it can be brought back again no matter how com compa tent or capable the person is. mr. trump doesn't say make america better. he says make america great again. meaning america is not great. some have been primed by the polarized media to receive a dog whistle like this that appeals to their misplaced anger.
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unsettled by the pace of change they want their country back. trump remains a hero to these folks because he championed the birther movement, current emphasis on illegal immigration resonates because it is a shorthand way of describing an america threatened by others. including that guy in the white house. they have been schooled to believe that change is tantamount to a breakdown in order. and yet, even the pro business "wall street journal" noetd in an editorial about birth right citizenship, the immigration hawks are correct that birth right citizenship is unusual among nations, but since when did republicans dump their belief in american exceptionalism? the idea that america is special. look, we have problem that need fixing. when a 32-year-old woman is slain in broad day light in san francisco by a guy who broke into the country five times, you can safely say that border control is one of them.
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>> you can follow me on twitter if you can spell smerconish. chinchilla says, trump is a presbyterian, he doesn't have to listen to unelected pope about immigration. chinchilla, i think the pope is going to set the tone for all candidates. there was this from mlp, he says you're such a a.h., criticizing trump on his nice commentary on bible verses. scum like you is why the press is despised. maybe that came from@realdonaldtrump. don says the silent majority debate is such a sham. the silent majority trump refers to is the middle-class you. know it. i gave him the benefit of the doubt on that. but for him being a birther, your are goumegument would have credibility. there is this, from rebecca, mr. trump's hat. and slogan. make america great again.
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rebecca said thank you. that slogan has irritated me from the beginning. we need to continue to improve but america is great. rebecca, that was my whole point. that's not what the hat says. i think it is more than just a semantic difference. follow me on twitter if you can spell smerconish. i will see you right here next weekend. the following is a cnn special report. >> as i go around the country and talk to people about lessons from katrina. one is, any given day, mother nature can destroy anything built by man.